Latest Primary Polls: Pennsylvania and North Carolina
Latest Pennsylvania primary polls:
| Pollster | Date | Obama | Clinton |
|---|---|---|---|
| ARG | 3/26-3/27 | 39 | 51 |
| Rasmussen | 3/24 | 39 | 49 |
| Franklin & Marshall U. | 3/11-3/16 | 35 | 51 |
| Quinnipiac | 3/10-3/16 | 41 | 53 |
| PPP | 3/15-3/16 | 30 | 56 |
| Rasmussen | 3/12 | 38 | 51 |
This is about an average of Obama 37, Clinton 52, with the average for the past week being Obama 39, Clinton 50 – a narrowing of Clinton’s lead from 15 points to 11 points. However, the PPP poll is an outlier, and non-Quinnipiac university polls are usually less reliable than major pollsters (which include Quinnipiac); the remaining polls are showing a fairly consistent 10-13 point range for Clinton’s lead for the latter two-thirds of March.
Latest North Carolina primary polls:
| Pollster | Date | Obama | Clinton |
|---|---|---|---|
| PPP | 3/29-3/30 | 54 | 36 |
| ARG | 3/29-3/30 | 51 | 38 |
| InsiderAdvantage | 3/26 | 49 | 34 |
| PPP | 3/24 | 55 | 34 |
This is about an average of Obama 52, Clinton 36 over the past week. At this point, Obama’s lead in North Carolina looks to be greater than Clinton’s lead in Pennsylvania, but it remains to be seen whether or not it will be big enough to erase any gain Clinton makes in PA.
Thus far, the polls suggest that Clinton will win Pennsylvania by 5-15 points and Obama will win North Carolina by 10-20 points, but there is considerable room for flexibility in these numbers at this point.
Added pages for NH, VA Senate races
Here are the pages for New Hampshire Senate and Virginia Senate.
03.28.08
Update to the Senate Races
Please forgive me for not getting more work done on the senate races, but because we’re nearing the end of the quarter, that means that some new information about fundraising should be released within a few weeks. As such, I’m going to wait on creating detailed senate races until some new fundraising numbers pop up. But, since I already have a few races detailed already, I’m going to be posting the ones I have already done (New Mexico, Virginia, New Hampshire) as Pages, plus I’ll add an update and whatnot to the list.
I’ve already added New Mexico as a page and added the most recent Rasmussen poll to it (the race is still leans Democratic).
03.27.08
Correction to Debunking Myths
A little bit ago, I commented on Hillary Clinton’s myth debunking myth. Well, I forgot to include all of the superdelegates Clinton has from Washington D.C. (which Obama won with 75% of the vote). So Senator Clinton, here are some more superdelegates who are voting against the will of their constituencies:
DNC Mary Eva Candon (DC)
DNC Yolanda Caraway (DC)
DNC Hartina Flournoy (DC)
DNC Harold Ickes (DC)
DNC Ben Johnson (DC)
DNC Eric Kleinfeld (DC)
DNC Minyon Moore (DC)
DNC Elizabeth Smith (DC)
DNC Marilyn Tyler Brown (DC)
DNC Mona Mohib (DC)
How the Battle is Fought (Florida and Michigan) (Reposted)
Posted in Florida, Michigan, analysis, commentary tagged 2008, bylaws, credentials, Florida, Michigan, rules at 3:04 pm by Elliot
(Original author: tagento)
(Note from Elliot: Since there seems to be some new interest in the credentials committee, I felt that bumping this topic would be a good way to get some information out, enjoy)
Less than a year ago Florida and Michigan embarked on a dare. Republican and Democratic Party rulemakers wishing to prevent a cycle of states moving their dates forward and moving the Presidential race into 2007 drew a line in the sand. The states of Florida and Michigan crossed that line and forfeited their delegates on the Democratic side. They thought maybe their contest would influence the race anyway and by the time the convention came around the parties already having settled on a nominee would restore their delegations so that it wouldn’t become an issue in the general. For better or worse on the Democratic side the race continues and Michigan and Florida’s gamble is looking more and more like a bad one.
This has been discussed before. But what I want to focus on is the bodies that will truly decide the question. The Rules and Bylaws Committee, the Credentials Committee, and the Convention itself.
The Rules and Bylaws Committee
The Rules and Bylaws Committee is one of the numerous subcommittees set up under the auspices of Democratic National Committee and at this point in the primary process is the body governing all that it’s name entails. It is chaired by former Clinton Labor Secretary Alexis Herman, former Massachusetts State Rep James Roosevelt, Jr, and Eliseo Roques-Arroyo.
I’ll take Marc Ambinder at his word that the committee despite having a few familiar names from the Clinton administration are thoroughly Howard Dean loyalists. I’ll note Ambinder mislabeled the heading and is NOT referring to the Credentials Committee.
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/03/kate_oconnor_former_cpos.php
Unlike the Credentials Committee which we’ll get to next this committee is a creature of Howard Dean. That’s why you are reading stories about contributors putting pressure on the DNC. In fact throughout the process Howard Dean and his appointees will play a key deciding role. And how fair, impartial, and perhaps more importantly strong he is throughout will determine how well the party fairs. I am going to operate under the assumption Howard Dean is going to stay neutral until either side has amassed enough delegates to claim the nomination. And only then will he (and his surrogates) flex their muscles to settle all questions in favor of the victor.
Assuming a fair hearing we’re left looking at the rules. Certainly Hillary Clinton’s claim that her campaign (unlike the others) made a conscious choice to be the only campaign to contest Michigan and Florida is a non-starter.
To give any hint that she actually DID campaign in those states risks a nightmare scenario for her. That the delegates are somehow restored but with HER delegates stripped for breaking party rules. While it’s highly unlikely we’d ever see that scenario transpire it shows why the Clinton campaign needs to tread lightly when making that argument.
A better case can be made for the “good faith” clause where the Rules Bylaws Committee can restore delegates to states who have tried to make a “good faith” effort to bring their states into compliance.
Florida is an easier case to be made since the state is controlled on all levels by the Republican Party. You could also argue the party is now trying everything they can to set up a new primary but are being scuttled by the Republican legislature. Michigan of course has a much more difficult bridge to cross given Democratic Party control. Thus there is a case to be made for restoring Florida even without a new election. Michigan on the other hand only has it’s own party to blame if they can’t find the funding to fix a mess that they are soley responsible for.
Right now all negotiations are centered around this rule. Some might argue any new contest now is too little too late since neither the Florida nor the Michigan Democratic Party did much “to prevent legislative changes” in their states. Some might argue the DNC should help these states by trying to help them secure funding to bring themselves into compliance. Others might find just EFFORTS at a new election good enough and restore the original “elected” delegates. And finally these delegates could be restored but with a new vector determining the split of delegates such as a 50-50 split between Obama and Clinton.
One thing however is clear. The Rules and Bylaws Committee is the Clinton campaign’s best shot at getting anything at all. The road becomes a lot more difficult for them once we move on to the far more partisan and pro-Obama Credentials Committee.
Credentials Committee
After around the end of June the Credentials Committee begins to take over. I’ll explain how the members of this standing committee for the convention are selected. There are 183 votes on the committee (including a quarter vote given to American Samoa, the Virgin Islands, Guam, and Democrats Abroad). 157 of them (we’ll exclude Democrats abroad and the three territories) of them are divided by population with every state (as well as Puerto Rico and the District of Columbia) having a minimum of one member. The elected delegates to the convention of each state and territory vote who they want their members to be. But of course it isn’t that simple.
The elected state delegations also must elect representatives to the standing committees (including obviously the Credential Committee) that proportionally represent the percentage of votes the presidential candidates got in each state. I will admit complete ignorance on what happens with states that have both a caucus and a primary like Texas. If the vote on the committee is close enough I assume it will be an issue that will be argued. The delegations must “elect” the representatives suggested to them by the Presidential campaigns. So these “elections” really are a joke.
All this is certified by the DNC controlled Rules and Bylaws Committee and each standing committee is chaired by someone appointed by Howard Dean.
In addition there are 25 spots on each committee for “Party Leaders and Elected Officials” called PLEOs who are elected by the Executive Committee of the Democratic National Committee. Nominees for these 25 spots are submitted by Howard Dean after “consultation with the State Chairs from those states from which members are contemplated to be nominated.”
With Obama doing well in smaller states and smaller states being overrepresented (in terms of population) on the committees Obama will have a plurality of members. Both Clinton and Obama will still probably need the votes of members selected by Howard Dean in order to reach a majority.
Taking place in July and after a primary or caucus could be reasonably organized this is where pragmatic solutions are discussed. Hopefully at this point the superdelegates have publicly backed someone or another and we’ll know who the nominee is. In which case Dean’s appointees all back the side of the winner. If not Obama probably pushes for a 50-50 split of the delegations with Clinton opposing. If Dean is pragmatic he’ll support it. If not the convention will get even uglier.
Also Clinton (or Obama if the vote goes against him) will have more than enough votes to reach the 20% vote minimum to submit a “minority report” to be voted on during the convention.
Here is Marc Ambinder’s explanation of the process. I’ll note that given Obama’s small state advantage it is doubtful Clinton could ever get more seats on the Credential Committee. By the same token it would be improbable for Obama to get the 26 vote margin he’d need to totally ignore Howard Dean’s appointees.
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/03/the_credentials_committee_tough_for_clinton.php
The Convention
Next we have the convention and this is where Howard Dean will be pivotal. The most important thing now is who is chairing the convention. Something anyone with any experience with Robert’s Rules of Order should already knows. With the power to recognize motions and decide the outcomes of “voice votes” it isn’t that much of an understatement to call the chair the dictator of the convention. Especially since they could care less what is actually in Robert’s Rules.
Howard Dean is the “temporary chair” of the convention and will preside over the adoption of the committee reports including the credential committee. These votes are often voice votes where the chair will call whatever side he agrees with the winner. The “democratic” thing to do of course would be to have a roll call vote. What he decides will tell us how tightly Dean plans to run the convention. If Obama has the necessary support of the superdelegates he’d probably win a roll call vote. Though of course there are delegates who might vote for the minority report for personal or ideological reasons (ie they want to run for President in 2012). Conversely if Hillary has the votes on this she probably has the votes to win the nomination.
Ideally the superdelegates have announced their intention so Howard Dean can step in and settle these questions before the convention starts and can use the considerable power of the chair to ram things through guilt free.
The next step is the election of the permanent chair of the convention. This is the only chance the loser has to change the game. To get someone friendly to rule in their favor on “voice votes.” Speaker Nancy Pelosi is slated to be the permanent chair of the convention. And if Clinton loses their vote for the adoption of the minority report they may give thought to trying to replace her with someone more friendly. Howard Dean would have to be a complete incompetent moron in order to have the election of the designated permanent chair torpedoed. She and her co-chairs (Kansas Governor Kathleen Sebelius, Texas State Senator Leticia Van de Putte, and Atlanta Mayor Shirley Franklin) will be confirmed on a “voice vote.”
Conclusions
What can we learn from all this? A few things.
First there will be no floor fight over Michigan and Florida. The system as constructed is simply stacked against Hillary Clinton. At every step Howard Dean is ultimately in control. Only if Howard Dean is far weaker or stupider than expected does any move have a chance and even then the outcome is doubtful at best. The only reason to engage in a floor fight would be to set up the basis of a lawsuit AFTER the convention. In which case God help us all.
Second realistically given how every committee is stacked against them Florida and Michigan will not only consent to a new selection process but actually beg for it. This is in everyone’s best interest. Senator Obama’s to remove any cloud lingering over his head by excluding these states. And Hillary’s since a new election is the ONLY way she can get any benefit from those states. And of course the Michigan and Florida Democratic Party who despite their huffing and puffing don’t want to do anything that will hurt their own local parties come November.
Third conducting new elections are easier said than done. Money is a big issue and in Florida Republican obstructionism as well. And time is running out quickly.
And finally there is an excellent chance no matter what SOMEONE will be seated. The question is who? Chances are whoever wins the nomination (excluding Michigan and Florida) will decide. Hopefully that winner will be decided before the convention so the party machinery can enforce that decision without looking like they are picking on those states. The longer this goes on the worse the party looks.
You can find a copy of the rules governing the convention and the delegate selection process on the DNC webpage. http://www.dnc.org/a/convention_2008/delegate/
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